| Claus Mueller | What  is the status of the New York Indian Film Festival? | 
  
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    | Aroon Shivdasani | We started this film festival in  2001 because we wanted to showcase non-Bollywood Indian films in the US –  something that had not been done before.   Less than two decades ago,  nobody knew about real Indian Cinema in North America. We are the oldest Indian  film festival in the US – older than any of the other Indian film  festivals that have now cropped up all over the country. We started as an  Indian Diaspora film festival screening films made by Indians living all over  the world – outside India. We conceived of a program to which the North  American audience could relate - before bringing in Indian  independent, alternate and art house films. Our first festival opened with the  Godfather of Indian diaspora cinema, Ismail Merchant.  The Merchant-Ivory  film SHAKESPEAREWALLAH had won a Silver Bear at the Berlin Film Festival and  featured Madhur Jaffrey & Shashi Kapoor.  We closed the festival with  Mira Nair’s Monsoon Wedding to a packed audience of people sitting in the  aisles and standing at the back. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | When  you focused on a target audience whom did you start with? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | We  wanted mainstream America to see these films.  However, the first festival  had an 80% audience from the Indian subcontinent. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Is it currently still that high? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | No,  it now reaches out to all film aficionados.  However, we still have a  South Asian audience of approximately 60% - the rest of the 40% is  American.  You must remember that I am including the second generation  Indian-American in the South Asian audience.  This demographic is actually  American – people like my children who were born in the US. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Has  there been a significant change or? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Certainly, but there have been  several other dramatic changes. The first couple of years most of the diaspora  films we received were still immature.  Less than two decades ago there  were a handful of good Indian Diaspora film makers.  Our first film  festival had only twelve films because that was the number of good diaspora  films we showed that year.   Indian diaspora filmmakers have matured  over the last 12 years and we now have a plethora of films submitted to our  festival.  However, we have also added Indian independent productions  which increased our annual submission rise to over 300 for each festival –  giving us problem that we enjoy – plenty of good films from which to choose our  final program. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | So  what is in the current mix of the 32 features and 24 shorts and documentaries  you had this year? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Now we have more independent films  than Diaspora films….Probably 60% are independent/art house/alternate and the  remainder from the Diaspora. There has been a great increase of independent  films submitted from India, which, by the way, are quite remarkable in  content and quality as well as growth in the number of productions. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | How  many films were submitted this year, including shorts? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Approximately 300 | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Do  you carry in your festival traditional commercial Indian films such as  Bollywood productions? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | No – unless we were to program a  retrospective of a great Indian Director who has made a significant  contribution to Indian cinema.  Our mission is to show the real India  through our films, to give socially conscious films a platform, to encourage  audiences to view a different kind of cinema.  Bollywood does not need us  to do this for them.  They have a large captive audience of their  own.  We often screen films that have commercial Indian cinema stars or  directors – however those films are in the independent stream – smaller  budgets, socially conscious plots or plots reflecting real lives and  stories.  We screen features, documentaries and shorts.  I would love  to screen Aamir Khan films – I do believe he has turned the tide of popular  Indian cinema.  Bollywood audiences respond to his films because he is of  that world despite the fact that he now produces films in the independent genre  which means his independent films receive mass audiences. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Lets take another area. If you check  the box office results of Indian films in the US it seems to be limited. Among  the top scoring 100 foreign language films ranked since 1980 by Mojo, you will  find only two Indian titles, MONSOON WEDDING and OM SHANTI OM.  So what is  the contribution of your festival to get high quality independent productions  and Diaspora films into distribution in the US?  | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | First let us qualify your  comment.  High quality Indian independent and Diaspora  films fall  into the same category as the films shown in special venues such as the Film  Forum, Lincoln center , IFC, Quad  Cinemas,  Sunshine and the  Angelia. One cannot place “foreign” films in the same category as the top  grossing American films – their markets are completely different.  If we  are talking about distribution, we need to keep in mind that our films are part  of the foreign language film group  that play in art house theaters, the  alternative  or specialty film markets.  Both known and unknown  Indian Diaspora films have had successful screenings in these theatres: Mira  Nair’s Monsoon Wedding & Namesake, Deepa Mehta’s Water, Gurinder Chadha’s  Bride & Prejudice, David Kaplan’s Today’s Special, Vikram Gandhi’s  Kumare and a host of others. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | But that market is also rather  small. Foreign films grossed about $40 million out of a total box office  running $11 billion last year. It is indeed a specialty market. But looking at  specialty distribution, have you been able to track the films you are showing  with respect to their subsequent use by art houses or theaters specializing in  foreign and/or Indian Films? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Yes, recently we have started to  track our films. It is still a rather small percentage of Indian films that  have received distribution here.   I mentioned some of them above –  others include Mathew Joseph’s Bombay summer, Rajnesh Domalpali’s  Vaneja,   Srinivas Krishna’s Ganesh Boy Wonder, and Shonali Bose’s  Amu. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | In  some cases did they have prior distribution deals? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Yes, and in other cases distributors  have picked them up at our festival e.g.  Vaneja, Today’s  Special, Bombay Summer, Amu | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Is there is a general problem cracking the  specialty market, even if marketing support is provided? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Correct, we encourage film makers to  bring their contacts from the industry. We provide passes to distributors and  film financiers but also use the festival to reinforce audience appeal, and  work the media. Further the festival program ensures that there is always a  post-screening discussion which gives filmmakers a chance to talk to the  audience about their films and allows the industry to recognize and approach  them. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | But  you do have an advantage over let’s say Italian or French festival films?   There is a sub circuit of Indian film theaters in the US films, not only lots  of the mom and pop operations  but also theaters acquired and  upgraded  by the  Reliance Big Theatre Circuit (they have about   30 by now). I understand that the success of these theaters with the Indian  language audience has led to neighboring main line theaters to play Indian  films now. | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | No, I don’t think so.  For one,  mainstream America is already familiar with Italian and French films and  filmmakers.  Indian Independent filmmakers are still in their infancy with  regard to visibility in the “foreign film” audience.   With regard to  Indian mom and pop theaters - they are reluctant to play the productions we  offer because they are not confident of the recurring audiences they get with  Bollywood films.  | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | What  if you have a commercially viable product? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Well, I believe we have to start  inviting movie theatre owners to our festival to show them the sold out houses  for our films – in English, Hindi as well as all the other Indian regional  languages.  In fact we have long lines of wait lists for several of our  films. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | What  about new distribution platforms, Video on Demand, special cable or satellite  channels aimed at the Indian Diaspora audience, specialized circuits?   Reliance figures that there are about 4-5 million people in this country  speaking Indian languages. Have you ever explored these new platforms? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Yes, we are increasingly aware of  these platforms.  I believe Star TV, Netflix and several other established  online distribution platforms are already screening Indian films.  Several  smaller ones have approached us to stream our films through them.  I think  in 2013 we will move in that direction.  This year Mela attended our  festival to invite filmmakers to stream their films through them.   Republic of Brown is interested in the same market, as are big companies like  SONY and MTV.  The latter have very strict rules of compliance whereas the  former are more laissez faire.    We have important Indian film  content that can garner a whole new audience of film aficionados to these  channels. These companies have approached us because they realize that we have  become an important entry point for Indian content.  I have heard  Rediff.com is thinking along those lines too although I wouldn’t swear to  that.  Companies realize that there is a huge potential market in  streaming good films that are not easily available after a one time screening  at our film festival.  The Asian Indian population is one of the fastest  growing ethnic groups in the US,   amounting to about 3 million people  now.   People attending our festival frequently ask where they  and their friends or relatives can view our films. We hope to give them  concrete answers after our 2013 film festival. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | What  is your current principal problem? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | Money.  Funding has become a  major problem.   Indian and US corporations don’t seem particularly  interested.  We made some small steps this year. I hope their experience  with our festival leads them to get more involved next year.  They were  really happy with the exposure they received, the festival itself, as well as  our audiences.   Limited funding precludes expansion and equally  important it prevents providing better services to our audiences. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | What  about public funding? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | We receive small amounts from the  federal, state and city governments.  However they are extremely small  amounts to start with, and have been further slashed due to the economy. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Can  you identify other potentials sources? | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | We have approached several  corporations; I hope some of them come through.  Individual giving has, to  date, been extremely important.  Individuals who believe in our  organization, its mission and are equally pleased with the execution and  results. | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | What about official Indian agencies?  They come to mind since I had a very positive response by government and  private sector officials to a presentation I gave in New Delhi several years  ago in New Delhi on the important role of Indian films in propagating Indian  culture overseas. | 
   
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     | Aroon Shivdasani | ICCR (Indian Council for Cultural  Relations) and the Consulate of India give us in-kind support. The ICCR sends  us artists and when the Consulate hosts some of our receptions.  However,  there is no monetary support.  | 
   
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     | Claus Mueller | Well, I do hope this will change.  Thank you   very much for your reflections. | 
   
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